a question from a new guy

[Anonymous]

what is the general stance on spawnkilling/spawncamping

as i noted in another thread--it is kind of a pet-peeve of mine--not in games like swbf, spawnkilling is the basic objective of the game--but in games like ba and grit it (in my opinion) detracts from the game experience for everybody

if i get pimp-slapped fair and square--that's fine with me but if there is a bullet waiting for me the second i spawn in--every time...

i even tried it out myself and got no joy--you can simulate the spawn camping experience by putting HALO splitscreen coop and airing out the other masterchief over and over and it don't cost 50 bucks a year

any input is welcome

[Anonymous]

I'm going to be the first to say it!

IT'S A LEGITIMATE STRATEGY!!!

But no one here at AGE spawn camps. It's a really big no-no.

[cblalock]

Spawn camping is a serious offense here. We don't allow
glitching, cheating, or unethical tactics. Everytime a new game
comes out there is sort of a break in period and discussion among the
members about what is ok and what isn't.

For instance, the original BA had the lean glitch. Lean walking
was immediately knocked down as glitching, but there was also the
matter of open-leaning. You know where someone is in the middle
of an open area looking like a V8 commercial.

We discussed it and came to the conclusion that this was out of
bounds. The purpose of leaning being in the game was to look
around objects, so to do so in an open area was thought to be "outside
the spirit of the game". This is pretty much how we determine
what's fair and what's foul.

What was the developer's intent with this feature? Is it legit or is it not?



Other examples include double-jumping in SCPT, slow-walking in R63, etc.

[Anonymous]

I guess it comes down to what is considered spawn camping?

If you are attempting to take control of a CP, you have to kill the spawners as they come up. I imagine an unfair use of spawn camping would be using it without any attempt to take control of the CP.

But then, who gets to decide what is legit and what isn't?

[cblalock]

But then, who gets to decide what is legit and what isn't?


Members and Council.



As far as SWBF is concerned, that is indeed the point of the game and why it hasn't been deemed a problem.

Same thing with the Siege gametype in GR and GR:IT

[Anonymous]

I guess it comes down to what is considered spawn camping?

If you are attempting to take control of a CP, you have to kill the spawners as they come up. I imagine an unfair use of spawn camping would be using it without any attempt to take control of the CP.

But then, who gets to decide what is legit and what isn't?


Yup, "spawn-killing" is a neccesity in BF when you're trying to capture a CP. But there is a difference between that and "spawn-camping" which is setting up shop just outside of the CP, with no intention of capturing the CPand continously nailing people as they spawn in. That in my book is not good sportsmanship. :smt009

[Circ]

But then, who gets to decide what is legit and what isn't?



If lots of people around here start saying 'lean walking like Nef in
RS3 is gei' then it's prolly a good idea to not play like Nef does (j/k
nef, I really love you). But you get the point. Like blalock said, we
usually go thru a bitchy period when a game comes out where we discover
where the developers f'ed up something and we label exploting that as
'bad' and it's up to the rest of us to decide if we agree or not (and
if you/I don't, it's up to the rest of us to decide if we want me/you
on our servers).



Easy peasy!

[Anonymous]

I have come to REALLY enjoy playing BA because fellow AGErs do not cheat, spawn camping or otherwise. This is the place to be if you do not like that sort of thing. There is a sense of satisfaction when you join an AGE server because you know that cheating will not be allowed. Before joining AGE I spent at least 1/2 hour trying to find servers where people were not cheating.

One question I had though... Sometimes I worry about whether I am doing some slow walking. Instead of asking how it is done, I'll say what I am doing and you can tell me if what I am doing is considered slow walking or not: I get to an opendoor and I know that there is someone on theright side of the doorjust waiting for me to walk through. I kneel down by the door, lean over,and, very slowly, begin to move side ways hoping to get a glimpse of the enemy and shoot him. I have not heard any complaints, but I don't want to do anything illegal #-o .

[Anonymous]

We're ag'in' it! We actually had a rather long and involved discussion on this topic right after BA came out. We determined that to purposely camp another team's spawn for the purpose of killing their players as they appear was about as low as you could get in a game and was grounds for expulsion from AGE. On the other hand, we also recognize that it is often necessary to transit another team's spawn area on some maps and in some modes and that it is possible to have a player spawn during that time. First, you should move as quickly as possible out of the spawn area. It becomes a judgement call as to whether it is absolutely necessary to defend yourself from the "spawner" or you can just try to get away, but it should NEVER be necessary to hang around in the spawn area. Accidents will happen, especialy when there are new people who don't know the maps well. An apology is all it takes in those situations, although nobody should have to learn where a spawn area is more than once.

The tactic of "spawn suppression" is viewed differently. Spawn suppression can be defined as positioning yourself to have a line of fire thatcovers a route from the opposingteam's spawn, butNOT the immediate and/or only exit. The opposing playerhas a chance to recognize the fact that he is in danger and has the opportunity to put up a defense, although this ability may be somewhat limited by your advantageous position. In other words, he/she is not helpless, as in a spawn camping situation. I think that about covers it.

[Anonymous]

[QUOTE=Patriarch"]
But then, who gets to decide what is legit and what isn't?

Members and Council.

Is there a place where all these rules are defined for the different games in the AGE database? It would be nice to have that for newbies (like me):smt002 .

[cblalock]

One question I had though... Sometimes I worry
about whether I am doing some slow walking. Instead of asking how it is
done, I'll say what I am doing and you can tell me if what I am doing
is considered slow walking or not: I get to an opendoor and I
know that there is someone on theright side of the doorjust
waiting for me to walk through. I kneel down by the door, lean
over,and, very slowly, begin to move side ways hoping to get a
glimpse of the enemy and shoot him. I have not heard any complaints,
but I don't want to do anything illegal #-o .

Well, since the lean-glitch in Rainbow was fixed for BA, I have no
problem with this tactic. In fact you are putting yourself at
more risk by doing it, because from what I've read - all hits count for
double when you are leaned. The same tactic can be done without
leaning, however, just walk slowly and they'll never hear you coming.

[Anonymous]

[QUOTE=Patriarch"]
But then, who gets to decide what is legit and what isn't?

Members and Council.

Is there a place where all these rules are defined for the different games in the AGE database? It would be nice to have that for newbies (like me):smt002 .

Yes, there is. It's rule number 1. "Don't be a dick." The fact that you came to AGE to game indicates that you probably agree that glitchers, cheaters, spawn campers, etc. can fairly be defined as "dicks." So that covers it. :smt003

[Anonymous]

i'm not sure "legitimate tactic" is the proper term-- "highly effective tactic" maybe

i'm not familiar with double jumping in scpt

and to clarify for patriarch--a game like star wars battlefront's objective is to take over and control spawnpoints (cp's)--complaining about would be equivalent to whining that people keep shooting you, grabbing your flag, and running away with it in ctf--i have absolutely no problem with that

spawncamping in a game like rs3 or grit, though gets into the "spirit of the game" situation that cb mentioned--it kind of violates the virtual geneva convention in a way that even surpasses the lack of balance involved in the near-universally hated .50 sniper rifle in rs3 (a rifle who's real-life counterpart is an anti-materiel weapon--to destroy equipment--although i know some military guys who would argue that hats are equipment too)

i am glad that spawncamping is generallyfrowned upon among the membership--i hoped it was

[Moefugger]

[QUOTE=Patriarch"]
But then, who gets to decide what is legit and what isn't?

Members and Council.

Is
there a place where all these rules are defined for the different games
in the AGE database? It would be nice to have that for newbies (like
me):smt002 .



hmm, no we don't have a specific place for all the glitches and whatnot
for each game. You can do a search to find the original threads
dealing with R63:BA and they should all be covered in there.



This is not a bad Idea tho, maybe we could set something up.

[Anonymous]

i'm not sure "legitimate tactic" is the proper term-- "highly effective tactic" maybe



It's kind of a little in-joke here. It's a quotefrom Red Vs Blue.

[NEFARIOC]

One question I had though... Sometimes I worry about whether I am doing some slow walking. Instead of asking how it is done, I'll say what I am doing and you can tell me if what I am doing is considered slow walking or not: I get to an opendoor and I know that there is someone on theright side of the doorjust waiting for me to walk through. I kneel down by the door, lean over,and, very slowly, begin to move side ways hoping to get a glimpse of the enemy and shoot him. I have not heard any complaints, but I don't want to do anything illegal #-o .


Well, since the lean-glitch in Rainbow was fixed for BA, I have no problem with this tactic. In fact you are putting yourself at more risk by doing it, because from what I've read - all hits count for double when you are leaned. The same tactic can be done without leaning, however, just walk slowly and they'll never hear you coming.


Let me clarify this......A slow walk is a glitch. Sometimes it happens on accident like you just mentioned. Many non-AGE BA players have found how to do this effortlessly. While your leaned "pying a corner" or doorway; if you notice your screen bounce a lil bit then you've entered the glitch. It rarely happens if you're not purposely trying to do it though. While leaned you do not incur double damage but say for instance your opponent is using a G3A3. While leaned you take 3 chest shots to die, while standing it takes 4 shots to die. You will find no slow-walkers within AGE.:smt001

[Anonymous]

Cool, good info... To be clear, the tactic I mentioned is OK unless my screengets thatlittle bounce. If I getit, I willreverse the movement to not take advantage of being in a glitch :smt001 ...Thanks!

[NEFARIOC]

Cool, good info... To be clear, the tactic I mentioned is OK unless my screengets thatlittle bounce. If I getit, I willreverse the movement to not take advantage of being in a glitch /AGE/DesktopModules/YetAnotherForumDotNet/images/emoticons/001.gif ...Thanks!

Correct-a-mondo!:smt001

[papax17]

In my opinion spawn camping is not cheating when the team that is being spawn camped actually has a chance to kill the camper. In black arrow as of now spawn camping is cheating because there is slim to no chance of killing the spawn camper because he can see you before you can see him. When the new black arrow patch is released we'll see what happens.



-papa x 17-

[Dean O]

In my opinion spawn camping is not cheating when the team that is being spawn camped actually has a chance to kill the camper. In black arrow as of now spawn camping is cheating because there is slim to no chance of killing the spawn camper because he can see you before you can see him. When the new black arrow patch is released we'll see what happens.





-papa x 17-





While it will make a difference in gameplay I imagine it will still be frowned upon at AGE.


On BF I agree that it's part of the game. But sitting in an AT ST blasting guys as they spawn without trying to take the post is no fun. I was playing Docks one night and my gunner hopped out to take the rear spawn on the map, soI start laying out the fire but then he gets killed, I called for someone else to come take it while I had it surpressed but noonw was near so I waddled away. I guess that's the best way to handle it.

[Circ]

. But sitting in an AT ST blasting guys as they spawn without trying to take the post is no fun.



While not fun, I have decided that I don't think this is a ban-worthy
thing to do (annoying, but not the sort of thing I would boot someone
from AGE for doing). You can win a map one of two ways, pwn all the
spawns, or kill everyone. If you sit in an AT-ST and wipe people from
the map as they spawn AND they have another spawn they could have
chosen, then it's their own damn fault for spawning there (if they are
down to one spawn, and you sit there AT-STing them to death, that's
even more gei, but still not ban-worthy imho).



Sure, I'll call you a motherfucker for doing that, but you aren't
cheating. You're just a bitch for not getting out of that thing and fighting
like a man tho! (/me puffs up a lot (not like a peacock, but like Lord
Tren's avatar))

[SymChris]

In my opinion spawn camping is not cheating when the
team that is being spawn camped actually has a chance to kill the
camper.



I *think* I know what you're talking about, but either way... here at
AGE - Spawn Camping Will Be Frowned Upon... If it appears
"questionable", than it probably is...