RS3:BA Multiplayer Game Type Differences

[Palamino]

I am pretty competent in BA coop multiplayer modes, but I haven't play much of the adversarial multiplayer modes until recently. I have noticed, as has anyone on my teams,that I suckin adversarial modes, but I "World Class" suck in team survival. This got me thinking that perhapsI need to use different tactics when playing in different modes. For example, my team survival kill ratio is an embarassing 0.23 or thereabouts. In contrast, my retrieval kill ratio is around 0.85...almost respectable.



I don't understand what I am doing wrong in team survival that seems to work for me in retrieval. BTW, my total conquest ratio falls about midway between team survivaland retrieval. ](*,)



Can any of you experienced BA players give me some tips on how tactics need to change depending on the game mode being played?

[soul embrace]

when playing revival or total conqest the only thing i do different is
i'm not as carefull when playing these to modes as i am in team
survival. in team survival i usely take my time as i walking around the
map being carefull. it just takes time you will start getting better,
playing team survival like you do coop but remember you are up against
smarter enemies and also communicate with your teammates. here is some
tips on playing the orginal rainbowsix:3 but they will work in black
arrow also. go here (http://adultgamingenthusiasts.com/AGE/Default.aspx?tabid=30&g=posts&t=63). hope this helps.

[Anonymous]

when playing revival or total conqest the only thing i do different is i'm not as carefull when playing these to modes as i am in team survival. in team survival i usely take my time as i walking around the map being carefull. it just takes time you will start getting better, playing team survival like you do coop but remember you are up against smarter enemies and also communicate with your teammates. here is some tips on playing the orginal rainbowsix:3 but they will work in black arrow also. go here (/AGE/Default.aspx?tabid=30&g=posts&t=63). hope this helps.




People have the tendency to play more cautious on TS, because of the fact that once you die, you're out of the match. While in Retrieval or TC, you know you'll respawn.

Map knowledge is pretty key in a TS match. My advice would be to just take your time and not run around like a chicken with his head cut off.

I'm not a big TS fan, I can play it, but it bores me pretty quick. I just like the concept of working as a team to accomplish a certain goal, which is what Retrieval and TC calls for.

[Palamino]

some tips on playing the orginal rainbowsix:3 but they will work in black arrow also. go here (http://adultgamingenthusiasts.com/AGE/Default.aspx?tabid=30&g=posts&t=63). hope this helps.


Hey, thanks for the great tips! Having had a chance to play with some of the best AGE has to offer, I have really started paying attention to their postings on this site. I have already been able to glean a few tidbits that I look forward to implementing tonight. :smt068



I was reading postings by Nefarioc and Way2Old regarding a camp site...*cough*cough*, strategic deployment manuver in the Cafe map behind some crates with additional foliage conceilment. Having experienced first hand bloodshed due to this tactic at this location, I will try out the map and look for a good counter strategy.

[Palamino]

People have the tendency to play more cautious on TS, because of the fact that once you die, you're out of the match. While in Retrieval or TC, you know you'll respawn.



I noticed that I am much more timid in TS, while I have enjoyed success in retrieval by agressively and constantly moving forward until encountering an enemy at which time I start a circular movement while strafing and crouching/standing at random intervals.



Maybe I just need more team work. Better map knowledge would be a big help too. Thanks for your thoughts.

[tanner]

Also, I dont know what gun you are using when playing BA, but you might
try switching up to a different one in TS. I am using the G3A3 now, and
have also made the switch from the M4 to the Famas on smaller maps. The
more accurate and damage the gun will do, will fare better for you in a
fire fight.



Map knowledge is a big key to the game, and also, don't wander off on
your own in a game of TS if you have an uncomfortable feeling about the
maps. Stay a couple of steps behind someone, and if you see them go
down, hold your position and let them come to you. This will give you a
couple of seconds ot get ready for a fire fight and depending on the
distance you might have, get your sights ready for a quick head shot.



If you are still feeling shaky on the maps, then never go out by
yourself. Its called TS for a reason. Yes I can mute my point by saying
that I will go out on my own Rambo style, as will some of the other
folks, but we are always in communication as to where we are. If we go
down, and a teammate is close by, they will know where to set up for
the kill on the other team.



I know your frustations about this, when I started playing the old
Rainbow, these guys were schooling me left and right, since I got into
late in the game. My ratio was something like 0.4, but now, having
learned the maps and gotten familar with the guns, I have a 1.0 ration
across the boards.(Yes shameless plug on my ratio, hey I used to suck)

[Palamino]

Also, I dont know what gun you are using when playing BA, but you might try switching up to a different one in TS. I am using the G3A3 now, and have also made the switch from the M4 to the Famas on smaller maps. The more accurate and damage the gun will do, will fare better for you in a fire fight.

In single player Campaign mode, I used the G3A3 exclusively. If I couldn't kill the AI tangos in 21 shots it usually didn't matter that my clip was empty because I was probably already dead. :smt067 This worked fine against AI tangos because they rarely attack giving me plenty of time to pause my advance and reload. Playing against human opponents is a very different situation. The G3A3's small ammo clip is a significant disadvantage, so I have been experimenting with the M16A??, the G36C, Famas, etc. I like the 3.5x zoom of the G3A3 and the M16, but I dislike the "tunnel vision" effect. My next experiment will be using a sniper rifle for long range shots in conjunction with the MAC 9 automatic pistol for close quarters.


Map knowledge is a big key to the game, and also, don't wander off on your own in a game of TS if you have an uncomfortable feeling about the maps.

Yes, I think this is my biggest problem especially on maps that are not included in Campaign mode. Even in maps that are part of Campaign mode, the multiplayer maps allow you access to areas that single player mode locks you out of. I have started playing sharpshooter with no one else just to walk around and get the lay of the land. I think this will help a lot.


get your sights ready for a quick head shot.

I usually aim for center body mass because I don't have full confidence inmy aiming skills. I have also increased my controller sensitivity settings from 4x3yto 8x 8y to help me swing around during a firefight. This may affect my accuracy until I become accustomed to the higher sensitivity, but hopefully it will reduce the number of bullets I take in the ass. :smt087


I know your frustations about this, when I started playing the old Rainbow, these guys were schooling me left and right, since I got into late in the game.

I'm not really frustrated since it's just a game,but my teammates may be.8-[ I'm just looking to improve so I can level the playing field a little.


My ratio was something like 0.4, but now, having learned the maps and gotten familar with the guns, I have a 1.0 ration across the boards.(Yes shameless plug on my ratio, hey I used to suck)


Stat whore. :smt003

[Judobum]

I use the G3A3 pretty much exclusively. I've been experimenting with the FAMAS but I don't like it as much. I'm too used to the stopping power of the G3A3 and I like the scope for distance shots. It's a huge disadvantage in close because of the tunnel vision effect but I'm pretty used to that now.

I tend to aim for the body as well, especially since in close often opponents will drop to a crouch so a body shot turns into a head shot. The G3A3 is better for this since the higher damage helps if you're shooting bodies more than heads. The high ROF on the FAMAS is nice though but I haven't used it enough to like it better.

The main thing is to learn the maps. The main way to learn the maps is to play a lot. Walking around a map by yourself won't give you the knowledge of the main contact points like playing a game will. I learned mainly by dying a lot. Then I'd try to figure out where I was getting killed from and use that spot when I was on the other side. After awhile, you learn the good spots and the bad places to be, like that door in the village where I always walk out and get killed... man I hate that map.

[papax17]

Hey Palomino. Knowing the maps is about 50%. The other 50 in my opinion is using the right gun and how to fire it (In my opinion the G56c and the FAMAS because their 2x scope). Most people when they come in contact with the enemy just sprays every which way. The key is learn how to fire the gun rapidly without losing control. For instance with the FAMAS. Whenever I fire it, I shoot very quick 2 round bursts. Dont try the 2 round bursts with the g36c, fast single shots and 3 round bursts aswell.

Make sure when you have the oppurtunity you peek around corners.

good luck

-papa x 17-

[Palamino]

I use the G3A3 pretty much exclusively. I've been experimenting with the FAMAS but I don't like it as much. I'm too used to the stopping power of the G3A3 and I like the scope for distance shots.

I also got used to the stopping power of the G3A3 which makes the M16 seem whimpy, and the 2x zoom on the G36C and FAMAS seems like a handicap since I'm used to the 3.5x zoom of the G3A3. Last night I used one of the sniper rifles (the jackinov? :smt104) with the MAC 11/9 automatic pistol for close quarters. This combo worked pretty good for me on the Cafe map, but it sucked big time on the Streets of Milan. The TAR-21 sucked on Streets of Milan because it seems to have the range of a bee bee gun. The trusty G3A3 was most effective on the Streets of Milan.


The main way to learn the maps is to play a lot.

Yes, I think you are right.






For instance with the FAMAS. Whenever I fire it, I shoot very quick 2 round bursts. Dont try the 2 round bursts with the g36c, fast single shots and 3 round bursts aswell.

I try to avoid spraying unless I am seriously outnumbered and am just hoping to escape out of the hot area. This is one aspect of BA where I wish they had incorporated the single shot/semi auto/full auto feature of GR:IT. In GR:IT, I prefer single shot and simply pull the trigger to tap tap take out the tangos.


Make sure when you have the oppurtunity you peek around corners.



I'm bad at picking out bad guys with quick glance. As a result, I usually get beaned when I peek. Then again, I usually get beaned if I run around the corner. Basically, I get beaned a lot. :smt021



Thanks for the tips guys!

[Anonymous]

Team survival = Camp


Total conquest = Camp then move to new camping spot. Once you kill a couple they'll figure out where you are.


:smt003

[Palamino]

Team survival = Camp

Total conquest = Camp then move to new camping spot. Once you kill a couple they'll figure out where you are.

:smt003



If I remember correctly, you're the one thatinterrupted my camping pleasure in the Cafe last night. Thanks for the tip. It must work because you consistentlyscored among the highest kill counts last night. :smt023

[Anonymous]

People have the tendency to play more cautious on TS, because of the fact that once you die, you're out of the match. While in Retrieval or TC, you know you'll respawn.



I noticed that I am much more timid in TS, while I have enjoyed success in retrieval by agressively and constantly moving forward until encountering an enemy at which time I start a circular movement while strafing and crouching/standing at random intervals.



Maybe I just need more team work. Better map knowledge would be a big help too. Thanks for your thoughts.







A toe-to-toe on TS is like a crap shoot... your success will depend on variable factors such as luck (who sees the other first), ping/connection speed, and who has the itchier trigger finger. I prefer to play TS like a game of I Spy -- I try to spy my opponents before they ever see me... and then shoot them. This means lots of sneaking. I like to creep to a spot and wait, creep to a new spot and wait, find another spot, then wait -- you get the idea. You'll learn the high-traffic areas on maps. The interesting thing is that different groups of people have different high-traffic areas. Just one more thing that gives BA lots of replay value.